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> The Origin Of Flowerhorn, Birth of FlowerHorns
Bigg Dogg
post Nov 16 2007, 06:43 PM
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The origin of flowerhorn

With the omnipotent human brain and advanced technology in cross-breeding, the creation of a new species of fish called the wondrous flowerhorn, is no more than just a dream, but a dream that came true.

This colorful and gorgeous aquarium heartthrob has taken apparently South- East Asia fish-hobbyists by storm in recent years. Creating waves and exhibiting itself with colors like a rainbow, like an artist trying to express his talents on his masterpiece by splashing all available colors from his palette, this ethnic cichlid species indeed a salvation to the fish-appreciation trade. A Malaysian self-innovation was actually originated from the American Cichlid family in Central South America. From an unknown species to a quality, high graded and distinct beauty, the evolution had surpassed the generations- reformation of cross-breeding, this fantastic new-bred, is the result of extensive research and untiring effort lavished on the species mutation-experimentation.

The Rajah Cichlasoma is constantly undergoing changes weeding out the old and making way for the new, classifying under categories from the highest to the lowest to meet the ultimate aim of fish hobbyists– a beautiful body with matching colors, distinguished stripes and gorgeous shine. The creation of flowerhorn is a success of mankind a species nobody had even dream of, can even robust the fish industry and increase the number of fish-hobbyist by a milestone.

The birth of flowerhorn

In 1993 -Malaysians admired fishes with protruding head, known as ‘Karoi’, in the western part of Malaysia, also known as ‘warship’. In Taiwan, this fish has a slight protruding forehead and long tail, and is widely accepted in the Chinese society which brings luck in geomancy.

In 1994 - The import of ‘Red Devil’ also known as ‘human face’ and ‘Blood Parrot’ from Taiwan to Malaysia mark the birth of flowerhorn.

In 1995 – With the introduction of 1994 birth of flowerhorn this has lead to the ‘blood parrot’ being crossbreed with the ‘Human Face Red God of Fortune’ which produced a new species called ‘five-colors god of fortune’. With its beautiful colors, it has brought an overwhelming response.

In 1998 – It has further improved with the import of ‘seven-colors blue fiery mouth’, from South America, known as ‘Greenish Gold Tiger’ and ‘Jin Gang Blood Parrot’ from Taiwan. This crossbreeding was a success, leading to the first generation of flowerhorns hjj named Hua Luo Han which is then followed by subsequent flowerhorn developments.
In 1998 – It has further improved with the import of ‘seven-colours blue fiery mouth’, from South America, known as ‘Greenish Gold Tiger’ and ‘Jin Gang Parrot’ from Taiwan. This crossbreeding was a success, leading to the first generation of flowerhorns, named Hua Luo Han which is then followed by subsequent flowerhorn developments. The flowerhorn arena still continues till today.
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post Nov 16 2007, 07:00 PM
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No point of keeping fish(FH) if you don't know where it came from or how it's made...Please take your time to read it and you might learn a thing or two. :D Mal is a forefather of FLOWERHORN...so therefor that's why strains and genetic is very importent when it come to FH, If you're into the hobby you should learn about it. That way you'll know your fish and won't get ripoff by the seller etc.Why pay big money for something that's not. 115.gif
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post Nov 16 2007, 09:48 PM
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Wow, thanks man. I want to learn more about FHs. Know anywhere good to look?


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post Nov 16 2007, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE (Bigg Dogg @ Nov 16 2007, 04:00 PM) *
No point of keeping fish(FH) if you don't know where it came from or how it's made...Please take your time to read it and you might learn a thing or two. :D Mal is a forefather of FLOWERHORN...so therefor that's why strains and genetic is very importent when it come to FH, If you're into the hobby you should learn about it. That way you'll know your fish and won't get ripoff by the seller etc.Why pay big money for something that's not. 115.gif


So if i never knew how a flowerhorn is made there's not point in me keeping it? okay... 4_12_12[1].gif


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post Nov 16 2007, 10:40 PM
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Unless there is a registry of proven pure strains of FH, then there is no use trying to figure out their origin.
Now a days everything are crosses. There is no way at the current time that a person can take a particular fish can be able to trace back its ancestors unless that person breed his own 2 original fish kept all his breeding records. Regardless of names, just buy what your heart desires most. 21.gif


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post Nov 16 2007, 10:52 PM
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i have one edit to make: the pure cichlids used were from Central America, not central south america!


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post Nov 16 2007, 10:56 PM
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I like this article! Moved and Pinned hat tip Bigg Dogg 104.gif
I agree MM317 but I think it maybe a translation issue. Maybe the author meant the southern regions of central america?


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that would still be wrong since mostof the fish come from Nicaragua, and that is right smack in the middle of central america! Trust me, i got relatives with large properties of land, and we can fish out, trimac, red devils, dovii, convicts, managuense, etc...


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post Nov 16 2007, 11:31 PM
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Lol just suggesting his geography might not be as good as yours, thats all bro


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post Nov 16 2007, 11:39 PM
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QUOTE (Pantherlax @ Nov 16 2007, 08:31 PM) *
Lol just suggesting his geography might not be as good as yours, thats all bro


Haha yeah bro, im just messing with you, i wa trying to play devils advocate!


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post Nov 17 2007, 08:18 AM
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QUOTE (lengz @ Nov 16 2007, 09:54 PM) *
So if i never knew how a flowerhorn is made there's not point in me keeping it? okay... 4_12_12[1].gif


Well don't you want to know where it's from and how it was made?Bro. If you wish to keep Flowerhorn then that's on you,but if you have no desire to learn or know about the fish...then this tread is not where you belong. All I'm saying is, it is good to know what you're getting youself into. My point is Mal is a forefather of flowerhorn and the name was giving by them for reason....That's the thing about hobbyist now a day they try to call it something that is not.

So do what you like and if you don't like what I do then you should even reply to my tread. 36_11_22[1].gif

Have a good day bra.
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post Nov 17 2007, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE (Round Head @ Nov 16 2007, 10:40 PM) *
Unless there is a registry of proven pure strains of FH, then there is no use trying to figure out their origin.
Now a days everything are crosses. There is no way at the current time that a person can take a particular fish can be able to trace back its ancestors unless that person breed his own 2 original fish kept all his breeding records. Regardless of names, just buy what your heart desires most. 21.gif

Ok bro. Round Head What's the differance between Toyota and Lexus...do you know?? If you don't look into then you'll never know or in your case..who cares right??

Man I"m trying to give you guys some ideas on how flowerhorn were made and what they use to make it with.
I think I know why no one seem to care now days,cuz everything now a day is base on Money....they'll do just about anything to make money even if they have to steal names from other breeder. 64.gif

Sad to say that we're blinded by the beauty of man new creation and not caring about the history of the creater. 4.gif
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post Nov 17 2007, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (Bigg Dogg @ Nov 17 2007, 05:34 AM) *
Ok bro. Round Head What's the differance between Toyota and Lexus...do you know?? If you don't look into then you'll never know or in your case..who cares right??

Man I"m trying to give you guys some ideas on how flowerhorn were made and what they use to make it with.
I think I know why no one seem to care now days,cuz everything now a day is base on Money....they'll do just about anything to make money even if they have to steal names from other breeder. 64.gif

Sad to say that we're blinded by the beauty of man new creation and not caring about the history of the creater. 4.gif


The differenceis, they are pure and different in their own way.
Purity means each car of the same model is all the same as they came out of the assembly line. This is purity and fish should be like so.
Bro., I am not saying that flowerhorn did not orginate from Malaysia, I agree with you totally on that. I am just saying that no body knows the truth about these fish now a days.
Just like mankind orginated in Africa, but that doesn't mean I need to know everything about Africa.
Take the asian, caucasian, and black. Are we the same species? How and where did we developed differences from the original clan in Africa?
Nobody give a shit right? Same thing with trying to figure out the family tree of our current fish.


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post Nov 17 2007, 12:12 PM
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just want to voice out my opinion with the origin of the flowerhorn. also i am not an expert

since this type of fish is a hybrid, its still ok to search for their forefathers genes.

but its really hard since every batch that would came out with a pair sometimes or usually gives out a different result.

and as i always say with my friends, "as long as you love your fish", regardless if it looks like a low class flowerhorn or trimac in that matter and resembles a "tilapia" for dinner.


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post Nov 17 2007, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (Round Head @ Nov 17 2007, 11:17 AM) *
The differenceis, they are pure and different in their own way.
Purity means each car of the same model is all the same as they came out of the assembly line. This is purity and fish should be like so.
Bro., I am not saying that flowerhorn did not orginate from Malaysia, I agree with you totally on that. I am just saying that no body knows the truth about these fish now a days.
Just like mankind orginated in Africa, but that doesn't mean I need to know everything about Africa.
Take the asian, caucasian, and black. Are we the same species? How and where did we developed differences from the original clan in Africa?
Nobody give a shit right? Same thing with trying to figure out the family tree of our current fish.

Bro. Round Head the car itself is different,but they share a same motor.....so you tell me what's the difference. I'll tell you the differenceis you're paying about 10 thousand dollars more on Lexus and it's not because of the motor....you're simply paying for the name. Yes you're right nobody give a shit, I know you don't...hahaha it's all good brother.

Take care Round Head

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post Nov 17 2007, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE (Bigg Dogg @ Nov 17 2007, 08:34 AM) *
Ok bro. Round Head What's the differance between Toyota and Lexus...do you know?? If you don't look into then you'll never know or in your case..who cares right??

Man I"m trying to give you guys some ideas on how flowerhorn were made and what they use to make it with.
I think I know why no one seem to care now days,cuz everything now a day is base on Money....they'll do just about anything to make money even if they have to steal names from other breeder. 64.gif

Sad to say that we're blinded by the beauty of man new creation and not caring about the history of the creater. 4.gif


well taking this same analogy with your toyota and lexus, why are you not giving credit to their creator?? Henry Ford invented the assembly line, and the entire auto industry as we know it today. So by what you are saying to bro round head, you too are blinded by the "beauty of man new creation and not caring about the history of the creator 4.gif"


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post Nov 17 2007, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE (Bigg Dogg @ Nov 17 2007, 03:51 PM) *
Bro. Round Head the car itself is different,but they share a same motor.....so you tell me what's the difference. I'll tell you the differenceis you're paying about 10 thousand dollars more on Lexus and it's not because of the motor....you're simply paying for the name. Yes you're right nobody give a shit, I know you don't...hahaha it's all good brother.

Take care Round Head

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If you're going to take about cars in this matter then i'll might as well add. Lexus is the luxury division or Toyota, and people are going to pay for it because they like the luxury part of it that you won't find in a Toyota. They are not paying for the name. If you look in a Toyota and look in a Lexus, you can see similiarites in design but what is in it itself looks way better than the Toyota. And about the motors, most of the v6's are made in America, and there are v4's available in Japan, so technically, they are not the same motor. Even if it does have the same engine code, there are differences in each model's engine whether it be compression, bore stroke, etc. So if topics of "origins" come up, we'd have to trace alllll the way back to the first, which is pretty difficult.

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post Nov 18 2007, 03:22 AM
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My big fat one ton Duramax has an Isuzu engine with an Allyson tranny so does that make it an Isuzu?
Not. 36_11_22[1].gif
Anyways this debate is pointless because nobody is going to agree and nobody has anything solid to prove.
Everybody know that the original flowerhorn were developed from Malaysia.
That is great but so what? What does my fish from Taiwan or Thailand or Viet Nam or US got anything to do with those original Malaysian fish?
If you want to go to the extreme, how about giving credits to those original wild fish?
A step further, how about giving credits to the prehistoric forefathers of those wild fish a few billions years ago?
It doesn't really matter. What matters most is how your eyes react to a particular fish and how much you can afford to have it.
Ooh, that's what she said. 36_11_22[1].gif


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