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 Nov 8 2007, 02:51 PM
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 Luo Han  Group: Forum Moderators Posts: 2,043 Joined: 24-October 07 From: Brooklyn, NY Member No.: 6 Country : 
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Was wondering if I have this rbk receipe right
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Nov 8 2007, 02:54 PM
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 King Kamfa  Group: Administrators Posts: 1,914 Joined: 25-October 07 From: New Hampshire Member No.: 19 Country :
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Paging Dr. Lucky!
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Nov 8 2007, 03:30 PM
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 Kamalau  Group: Senior Members Posts: 745 Joined: 28-October 07 From: Seatlle,WA Member No.: 80 Country :
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Great question! I'm looking forward to the answer on this one too if anyone would like to share
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Nov 8 2007, 04:08 PM
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 Kamfa  Group: Members Posts: 358 Joined: 25-October 07 Member No.: 27 Country :
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For RBK i suggest At least two Geneations of Vieja line crossings.... for example
Syn x Parrot you get F1 and out of that F1 you look for Females and Males that show the Characteristics you like and after you grow them out and test their fertility and see if they are fertile VIa MALE then you are one lucky bastard... but anywho continuing.... it's good to have several females such as short body and your desired traits / taste Then you Rebreed the FEmale with the DAD F1 x SYn (dad) you should get F2 and after F2 you should probably see what you like in them... whenever breeding RBK's you will always get Variations... for me it's been 50 / 50 of Bonsai's / RBK body .. and my pair was a RBK x King Kong Parrot and that was a fun experience so it's best to cross what you desire and inbreed it to get your desired look this in terms get you "RBK" ... like how Sonny Did his was Several Generations to achieve this... and note this... Many RBK's are Late bloomers so it's best to grow them out and mature each one... that's the challenge you will have to face when making the RBK that's suitable for you / people Randy, |
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Nov 8 2007, 04:56 PM
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 Juve Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 27-October 07 From: Surprise, Arizona, U.S.A. Member No.: 72 |
QUOTE (xMrxSaux @ Nov 8 2007, 02:08 PM)  For RBK i suggest At least two Geneations of Vieja line crossings.... for example Syn x Parrot you get F1 and out of that F1 you look for Females and Males that show the Characteristics you like and after you grow them out and test their fertility and see if they are fertile VIa MALE then you are one lucky bastard... but anywho continuing.... it's good to have several females such as short body and your desired traits / taste Then you Rebreed the FEmale with the DAD F1 x SYn (dad) you should get F2 and after F2 you should probably see what you like in them... whenever breeding RBK's you will always get Variations... for me it's been 50 / 50 of Bonsai's / RBK body .. and my pair was a RBK x King Kong Parrot and that was a fun experience so it's best to cross what you desire and inbreed it to get your desired look this in terms get you "RBK" ... like how Sonny Did his was Several Generations to achieve this... and note this... Many RBK's are Late bloomers so it's best to grow them out and mature each one... that's the challenge you will have to face when making the RBK that's suitable for you / people Randy, Very good Randy, you are indeed very close to the formula. Add two more generations and you have the mix. :D |
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Nov 8 2007, 05:02 PM
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 Luo Han Group: Senior Members Posts: 2,124 Joined: 26-October 07 From: Riverside Ca. Member No.: 48 Country :
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QUOTE (HighFive @ Nov 8 2007, 01:56 PM) Very good Randy, you are indeed very close to the formula. Add two more generations and you have the mix. :D so marc are you saying that its safe to say that using a proper bieja speciman and AAA darmo or KKP, will do that job? JUst keep in breeding for selective traits and adding more generations? Maybe even have multiple pairs of vieja x King Kong Parrot and cross their fry and cross them back to the parents will make it happen as well? --------------------     So Shall It Be Written So Shall It Be Done   |
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Nov 8 2007, 05:08 PM
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Luo Han Group: Forum Moderators Posts: 2,043 Joined: 24-October 07 From: Brooklyn, NY Member No.: 6 Country :
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Does the vieja have to be a syn what about the other strains like harwegi and bifasciatus because i seen rbk that look more like bifasciatus
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Nov 8 2007, 05:17 PM
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 Luo Han Group: Senior Member Posts: 2,186 Joined: 25-October 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 33 Country : 
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im no expert, but i would say any vieja would work fine.
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Nov 8 2007, 05:19 PM
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Kamfa Group: Members Posts: 358 Joined: 25-October 07 Member No.: 27 Country :
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QUOTE (spyder @ Nov 8 2007, 02:08 PM) Does the vieja have to be a syn what about the other strains like harwegi and bifasciatus because i seen rbk that look more like bifasciatus A preferable strain is a Synpilum ... as in Happy Breed KKP's they used a Syn x Red Devil as their root of their Breeding ... after that they just selectively breed their specimens till they achieved what they now call their Mammon's And HighFive is right!!.. couple more generations of good line breeding will achinve what your goal is... and Also Since you already have a King Kong Parrot or a parrot female ready at hand.... that should be way closer to breeding King Kong Parrot than Breeding a Red Devil X Synpilum You can also Try to use other strains Spyder but a more preferable strrain is the Syn... if you noticed in Sonny's fish you will see very strong Syn in the Masterpiece he kept and the rest of the other RBK people have If your willing to spend 6 years trying to make your own strain go ahead.... the reason why i said six is because it takes roughly two - three years for a syn geneticized fish to fully mature Sexually and growing out all those that you like will also be hard... so try to stick with Two males / Two female from F! and from there work your way out:D or you can sell the rest of the f1 males and when it gets fertile buy it back.... Hope this helped you |
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Nov 8 2007, 05:20 PM
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Kamfa Group: Members Posts: 358 Joined: 25-October 07 Member No.: 27 Country :
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QUOTE (Gage @ Nov 8 2007, 02:17 PM) im no expert, but i would say any vieja would work fine. Yupp it would... but remember once you crossed your fish this will be a Actual Variation game... and they can be at least 10 different looking fish in one batch.. and it's your taste that counts so you have to decide which is good or not and which isnt for you Happy Breeding!!! :D |
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Nov 8 2007, 05:35 PM
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Kamalau Group: Senior Members Posts: 745 Joined: 28-October 07 From: Seatlle,WA Member No.: 80 Country :
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Wow six years! That's a looongg time, but well worth it right?! :D Thanks bro Randy for all the info! BTW i remember you having some rbk fries. How did those turn out?
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Nov 8 2007, 05:59 PM
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 Shi Fu Group: Forum Moderators Posts: 3,193 Joined: 27-October 07 From: ypsilanti, Michigan Member No.: 74 Country :
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Mr. Sau you are da man. Thanks for sharing your insight, very interesting and great information!!!
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Nov 8 2007, 07:43 PM
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 King Kamfa  Group: Chingmix Staff Posts: 1,228 Joined: 24-October 07 From: guam Member No.: 8 Country :
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Selective breeding after the first mix.
Thats its folks. Line breeding and combination of inbreeding and also luck in selection. Selection is the hardest part. -------------------- To order Chingmix email sales@chingmixusa.com
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Nov 8 2007, 08:01 PM
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King Kamfa Group: Administrators Posts: 1,914 Joined: 25-October 07 From: New Hampshire Member No.: 19 Country :
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Pinned! Hat tip to Mr. Saux!
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Nov 9 2007, 12:07 AM
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 Jin Kang Group: Members Posts: 288 Joined: 29-October 07 From: Stafford, VA Member No.: 86 |
Wow, thanks for the info, Mr. Saux, I have some F1 from a vieja x KKp....
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Nov 9 2007, 01:28 AM
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Kamfa Group: Members Posts: 358 Joined: 25-October 07 Member No.: 27 Country :
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NO Problem Gentlemens... for me My RBKs are made with Sonny's Very Fertile RBK with a KKP... i dont know what else to describe about it... but i'll show you how it goes with my next new batch... Female is now laying the EGGs:) hehe at this very momment
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Nov 9 2007, 09:10 PM
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Kamalau Group: Senior Members Posts: 745 Joined: 28-October 07 From: Seatlle,WA Member No.: 80 Country :
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QUOTE (xMrxSaux @ Nov 9 2007, 01:28 AM) NO Problem Gentlemens... for me My RBKs are made with Sonny's Very Fertile RBK with a KKP... i dont know what else to describe about it... but i'll show you how it goes with my next new batch... Female is now laying the EGGs:) hehe at this very momment Thanks for sharing! I can't wait to see how your batch come out! :D |
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Dec 10 2007, 11:01 AM
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Luo Han Group: Senior Member Posts: 2,186 Joined: 25-October 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 33 Country :
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i would go to the extreme and breed the fry of a SYNxKKp and breed the offsrinp with a different vieja with different traits u like and so on till u have the perfect one lol
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Dec 16 2007, 02:05 AM
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 Kamfa Group: Members Posts: 368 Joined: 26-October 07 From: San antonio.texas Member No.: 54 |
QUOTE (xMrxSaux @ Nov 9 2007, 06:28 AM) NO Problem Gentlemens... for me My RBKs are made with Sonny's Very Fertile RBK with a KKP... i dont know what else to describe about it... but i'll show you how it goes with my next new batch... Female is now laying the EGGs:) hehe at this very momment HEY MR SAU GOOD LUCK WITH THE BABY MAN...BTW CHIP ME SOME FRYIF YOU CAN....HEHEH PUT ME ON THAT LIST  
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Apr 13 2008, 05:46 PM
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 Zhen Zhou Group: Community Sellers Posts: 181 Joined: 10-April 08 From: elk grove ca. Member No.: 483 Country :
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Hey guys, you know whats wierd my brothers batch of King Kong Parrot and Gold Platinums, 30% of them look like RBKs I dont know how it will be after fading but for now they look really similar..I dunno tho Ill try to get better pics...
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